Update on parents' 4WD decision

"Nibby" (nibby68) 01/05/2014 at 17:51 • Filed to: None

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We looked at a Toyota Sequoia... very nice truck inside and good pickup, great 4WD system... but the $53k price is a bit much. Toyota said $4k down, lease for 36 months for freaking $560 a month...

So my Dad went to look at a Pathfinder but I STRONGLY suggested don't see it as a viable option cause it's not what it used to be... unibody, CVT, 4WD system is fine but we drove both and the Toyota had a better 4WD system... you could tell the rear wheels were doing just what it was supposed to in 4-lo + locker enabled.

Looked at Durango, but no locking diff so that's a no. Trying to get them to look at a Tahoe... and no, they'll NEVER EVER EVER buy preowned/used/etc. Silly, I know.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 17:53

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Miata

doodon2whls > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 17:53

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Diesel Jeep GC ?

Nibby > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 01/05/2014 at 17:58

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No.

Nibby > doodon2whls 01/05/2014 at 17:58

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They're also ridiculously expensive at $48k

TheOnelectronic > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 17:59

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Do they actually need something with body on frame, locking differentials, and low range?

For that matter, something that large?

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 17:59

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4wd Miata truck?

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:00

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Do they need a locking rear diff?

My parents are the same way about cars. It must be new.

Nibby > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 18:01

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Yeah won't even consider anything without one.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:02

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Now I'm curious, why is diff lock essential? From what I can tell this more of a family carrier and not a rock crawler, or is this a devious plan to eventually get the hand me down with lockers?

Nibby > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/05/2014 at 18:03

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Terrible driveway at home in winter + hills + ice + light off roading

doodon2whls > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:03

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Yeah, but dat 730 mile range, tho...

And dem 420 ftlb torques...

Nibby > doodon2whls 01/05/2014 at 18:06

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Originally looked at a Ram 1500 4wd 5.7L, MSRP was low-40s and it was $430/mo. pretty reasonable with only $2k down WITHOUT haggling... but the rest of the family raged on my dad and I :(((((((

They're no fun.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:07

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Interesting.

Do they live up a driveway that gets slippery in the winter or something like that?

Or are they totally badass and wheel a full-size, new SUV?

Nibby > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 18:09

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Yeah our driveway is slippery, sloping, twisting, and hilly. And there's a ditch next to it if you fuck up.

I've seen Subarus slide down, various AWD crossovers, FWD vehicles...

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:13

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Honestly I don't think you need lockers for that, if anything LSD and a good set of snow tires would be more than enough for what you want. Sure lockers are awesome but the only time you really need locking differential is if you're running trails that will 9 times out of 10 cause body damage and require wheels 35"+.

Edit: LSD as in limited slip differential not the other fun kind.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:13

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Sounds like a fun place, haha.

I love my Tacoma, I love Toyota trucks. They're made in the USA, are dependable, and are a great value. It's a shame the Sequoia is a little out of your price range.

doodon2whls > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:14

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Unless you are a contractor or necessitate a bed, p/u trucks are a real waste. They have terrible weight distribution effecting winter handling - 4wd or not. And full sized pickups are huge ! I used to drive a diesel 3500 MTX w/40' 5th wheel trailer at work and thought i 'needed' a p/u in my life. I wised up over time. The Durango/JGC platform is solid... Only bummer for me is that the JGC is not offered with a third row, and I like to have the space for people. Inly the Durango offers the third row, but no diesel... yet.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:15

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Ford Raptor?

Nibby > doodon2whls 01/05/2014 at 18:15

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See that's the thing, I need something that can hold 8x4 in it... and a Toyota Sienna probably isn't my first choice for that :P

Nibby > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 01/05/2014 at 18:16

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Hahahah I wish. It'd be the only dirty one around

Nibby > TheOnelectronic 01/05/2014 at 18:17

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Yeah.

Nibby > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 18:18

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Yeah and it's a real nice truck too... unfortunately they're not willing to make a deal on it either.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/05/2014 at 18:18

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I slightly disagree with your requirements for a rear locker. My truck is open/open right now and I've ran into situations on the trail where a locker would have got me unstuck in a jiffy. Tacoma folks run air lockers f/r all the time often never deviating from 33s.

In your defense though on that same trail, I suffered minor body damage and larger tires would have been incredibly more effective than my 32s.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:21

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So badass

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:22

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So badass

MountainCommand > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:30

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My parents have an 07 tahoe (previous gen). Great all around short suv. They got it used though, so in terms of price, that sequoia would be my pick.

It will be hard to find a similar sized SUV to a sequoia or suburban for less money brand new. Its a tough one. Maybe just tell them they will feel better spending a tad more rather than having to settle for something less. If they really are gonna get some use out of the truck as a whole, its worth whatever they can get it for.

area man > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:33

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God, I miss the old Pathfinder.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 18:37

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Lockers are awesome, however all they do is let you get stuck in deeper holes and break more expensive parts ;).

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/05/2014 at 18:38

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Haha, the unhealthy addiction of off-roading.

Nibby > area man 01/05/2014 at 18:40

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Now it's a mommymobile. :(

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 18:41

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Yeah, and expensive too. I've spent quite a shit ton of money on my rig and I haven't even gotten to lockers yet lol. But I've got a center locker and the TC does an excellent job filling in for LSD (it applies brakes to prevent wheel slip).

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/05/2014 at 18:46

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I have a LSD in my truck. I still want lockers. I've recently bought a whole mid-travel setup for it, but ran out of time to install so I have to pay a shop. $$$

We spend money to build something that drives over things that we hope we don't damage while driving over things that can damage the thing we've spent so much money on. How strange, ahaha.

maxmike181 > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:46

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Expedition? Does it has to be Sequoia big? Cause that 4runner is peeking a look at you.

Textured Soy Protein > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 18:48

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You're mistaken. The Sequoia doesn't have a rear locker. It locks the center diff when you use 4wd low range.

The Pathfinder is a car-based awd system that has a sorta lock mode but no low range.

The Durango has a VERY similar transfer case to the Sequoia, that locks the center diff in low range.

If they like how the 4wd works on the Sequoia, they'll probably like the Durango.

Nibby > maxmike181 01/05/2014 at 18:48

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Nah, we looked at 4Runner and NONE of the ones nearby have the package(s) we're looking for.

wizkashifa > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 19:00

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Range Rovers for everyone.

Nibby > wizkashifa 01/05/2014 at 19:04

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Way too expensive.

wizkashifa > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 19:10

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Not as massive as Tahoe or Sequoia, how about a 4Runner? They have 4WD and e-diffs.

Frank Grimes > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 19:18

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this is or gayness. its your dads choice really.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 01/05/2014 at 19:24

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I've gone the other way, HD springs with spring retainers for when I'm at full articulation. What more of an over lander so load capacity comes into consideration, plus all the extra skid plates underneath are heavy.

merkyg > Frank Grimes 01/05/2014 at 19:50

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Love a bit of Unimog! That, Defender, or something military. (Bonus points for Chang)

Milky > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 19:55

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Looking better & better everyday.

(grabbed this video because it looks like this dumbass is on summer tires or bad all seasons and still makes it look easy)

My Alfa 164 is Too a Real Alfa > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 19:55

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Would your parents consider a Land Rover LR4? They are a bit pricey at 49k, but they're by far one of the most capable 4wd's that you can buy. That and the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Arben72 > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 20:15

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My Honda pilot has been around the world and has no problems, I'd recommend the to anyone. Has a center locking dif. Only downside is the 109 mph governor.

Nibby > My Alfa 164 is Too a Real Alfa 01/05/2014 at 20:43

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Nah, LR4 is a bit steep in price and really not nice in terms of reliability.

Nibby > Milky 01/05/2014 at 20:44

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A bit steep pricewise.

Milky > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 21:07

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6k cheaper than that Sequoia, just go easy on the options (because its german) and you'll be fine.

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 21:13

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Wrangler Unlimited?

X-Terra?

Grand Cherokee? Actually, why is GC not at the top of the list? They start around $30k don't they?

Nibby > Milky 01/05/2014 at 21:20

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I shouldn't have to spend $3k just for navigation and such on a $48k vehicle.

Nibby > SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread 01/05/2014 at 21:22

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Considering a GC actually, he's bent on the Pathfinder. I'm even willing to compromise with the GC, so long as it is either 5.7L or 3.0L diesel.

FUCK the Wrangler. We have one right now and we're replacing it. No way we're going back... even with the Pentastar engine. It's too uncomfortable and the interior space isn't anything special.

Milky > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 21:34

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With nav its still cheaper & you get to look at something nice everyday, I wouldn't say the same for a Sequoia.

Nibby > Milky 01/05/2014 at 22:00

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We both like the Seq more and actually I think the Q7 looks ugly outside. Seq doesn't look great outside either but it's better looking IMO and more capable.

Nibby > Arben72 01/05/2014 at 22:14

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I've driven my uncle's 2011 Pilot... really not a fan of it much.

Milky > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 22:15

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….. might help.

Nibby > MountainCommand 01/05/2014 at 22:15

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I tried but they don't want to pay $550 a month for a Sequoia...

Nibby > Milky 01/05/2014 at 22:16

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Been wearing glasses for years buddy. Looks are subjective.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/05/2014 at 22:24

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The bro in me came out when it came to suspension. Except Dakar leafs. Everything else is Overland. Engel Fridge, Tool Boxes in the camper shell, roof rack with awning mounts (can't afford the awning or tent yet), full skids (front, transmission, transfer), sliders, plate bumper shipped, and the cherry on top: a copy of the Overland Journal in the driver seat pocket, haha.

Maybe I'll put up a picture of my truck when I get all my parts put on.

Arben72 > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 22:32

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I haven't driven the new ones but mines an 07 and drives like a lifted sports car, I can even catch some drifts in it while listening to vtec yo. It's nice in the mountains of Europe a subtle on the autobahn. Have you looked at the q7 or tourag? They're nice and the Germans usually give good lease rates.

Nibby > Arben72 01/05/2014 at 22:46

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No VW cause it's AWD and not that great in snow... someone I know has a Touareg and it's nothing great.

Q7 is expensive.

Arben72 > Nibby 01/05/2014 at 22:56

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What's so wrong with awd? I just picked up my friend who go stuck in his 4wd bro-truck in the snow with my lesbowagon (forester). Literally going through snow drifts up to my hood with a foot of snow all over. I think your seriously under estimating awd.

Nibby > Arben72 01/05/2014 at 23:35

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I have a Forester already but Subaru and Audi have the *best* AWD systems out there, hands down. The Forester never gave me issues (but my cousin slid down our driveway, that was a scary moment, in his 2010 Outback).

My driveway is hilly, sloping, winding, and there's a ditch next to it. Going down isn't much of an issue... coming up can be very very very dangerous.

Arben72 > Nibby 01/06/2014 at 00:05

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Just take this as a suggestion but I wouldn't recommend a SUV for going up a hill unless clearance is an issue. You want something light and nimble with awd/4wd and a good set of snows. Why not consider a new forester?

Nibby > Arben72 01/06/2014 at 00:10

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We need something *roomier* than our Forester. Clearance is an issue for our other property

Arben72 > Nibby 01/06/2014 at 00:18

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Ahh, I have no clue if this has 4wd or awd but have you considered a ford explorer, seems like something your family might like.

SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread > Nibby 01/06/2014 at 13:50

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That's kinda what I figured about the Wrangler. Just struggling to think of SUVs with a locking diff. Full-size quad cab pickup out of the running as well?

Nibby > SCR - The Soup Of The Day is Bread 01/06/2014 at 14:49

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Yeah Dad and I wanted a Ram 1500 but the rest of the family screamed at us. :(

My Alfa 164 is Too a Real Alfa > Nibby 01/06/2014 at 17:20

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True. Although I do feel like Land Rover has improved a lot over the past couple of years. They could probably find a lightly used dealer car for like 40k and have locking diff's, low range, adjustable suspension, and a very good tow rating.

I own a Disco so I'm pretty partial to Rovers, and I need to keep reminding myself that they aren't for everybody.

My92SSEisn'taTardis > Nibby 01/09/2014 at 20:22

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If he can look at the Sequoia, why not an LR4 it starts at 49ish already pretty decently loaded and again like the german cars watch the options....plus you know Land Rover

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 01/24/2014 at 12:02

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Just a heads up, the Sequoia doesn't have a locker (at least not a rear one) it has a locking torsen center diff. big difference. Probably doesn't matter now though.

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 01/24/2014 at 12:18

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Yeah I know, but a locking diff is at least better than no locking differential...

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 01/24/2014 at 12:23

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well, but all it does...technically...is engage true 4wd, like a regular truck without a center differential. You wouldn't notice much difference with that Torsen differential.

I did this entire feature forgetting to lock my center diff.

and my center diff is a vastly inferior viscous coupling unit. For a long time, Land Rovers didn't even have locking center diffs, just brake based torque split. This video illustrates the confusion and capabilities of the sequoia pretty well.

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 01/24/2014 at 12:28

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dat Land Cruiser

I don;t think we'll *ever* do rock crawling like that but the Sequoia blasted through a foot of snow the other day. We're happy with it, no complaints other than MPG (but that's expected with a 5.7L nearly 3 ton vehicle). I will say it turns rather sharply for its size, better than the Wrangler it replaced.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 01/24/2014 at 12:32

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they are great machines, but that 5.7 with the 4.30 final drive sure makes them thirsty. better than mine though, The best I've ever gotten was 15. Though the Tundra we had with us did a miserable 11(!) mpg pulling a 3000 lbs trailer. Im guessing they went with the Sequoia though?

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 01/24/2014 at 12:57

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Yeah we got one in brown. Already has been through 14" of snow and made a moving trip with mattress, boxspring, table, a few other things. Averaging 14-15 mpg, but that's mostly city driving and stuck in traffic.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 01/24/2014 at 13:00

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I freak out with delight when I get 15 on the highway...it means I've been doing great!

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 01/24/2014 at 13:02

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TOYOTA 4WD SUVS UNITE

xxxxxx > Milky 01/26/2014 at 18:50

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We have both and they are 2 COMPLETELY different animals. The Sequoia is a monster while the Q7 is quieter and more reserved and refined.